Friday DIVE – 17November2023

 

 

Did God create evil?

That’s the question we want to try to answer tonight.

The reason for the question … a passage in the KJV of the book of Isaiah …

Isaiah 45:7     I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.   

Based on that passage, it seems fairly that God did create evil. That point of view, however, seems inconsistent with a God whom the Bible tells us doesn’t just have love or do love, but who is love.

So, is there some other way to understand that verse?

My response: God did not create evil in the sense that we understand evil. Three reasons why I say that …

  1. God is love (1 John 4:8, 16)
  2. Everything that God created was good. (Genesis 1:10, 12, 18, 21, 25 … Genesis 1:31)
  3. The word “evil” is an English word … The original word was in Hebrew and it could have been translated differently. (click here to see some other translations)
KJV   I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.   
AKJV   I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
KJ21   I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things. 
ASV   I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things. 
NKJV   I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things.
NLV   I make light and I make darkness. I bring good and I make trouble. I am the Lord Who does all these things.
NLT   I create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, the Lord, am the one who does these things.
AMP   The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing peace and creating disaster; I am the Lord who does all these things.
AMPC   I form the light and create darkness, I make peace [national well-being] and I create [physical] evil (calamity); I am the Lord, Who does all these things.
CSB   I form light and create darkness, I make success and create disaster; I am the Lord, who does all these things.   
CEB   I form light and create darkness, make prosperity and create doom; I am the Lord, who does all these things.
CJB   I form light, I create darkness; I make well-being, I create woe; I, Adonai, do all these things.
CEV   I create light and darkness, happiness and sorrow. I, the Lord, do all this.
ERV   I made the light and the darkness. I bring peace, and I cause trouble. I, the Lord, do all these things.   
EHV   I am the one who forms light and creates darkness, the one who makes peace and creates disaster. I am the Lord, the one who does all these things.
ESV   I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the Lord, who does all these things.
ESVUK   I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things.
EXB   I make the light and create the darkness. I bring ·peace [prosperity; wholeness; C Hebrew shalom], and I ·cause [create] ·troubles [disaster; calamity].  I, the Lord, do all these things.
GW   I make light and create darkness.  I make blessings and create disasters. I, the Lord, do all these things.   
GNT   I create both light and darkness; I bring both blessing and disaster. I, the Lord, do all these things.
HCSB   I form light and create darkness, I make success and create disaster; I, Yahweh, do all these things.
ICB   I made the light and the darkness. I bring peace, and I cause troubles. I, the Lord, do all these things.
ISV   “I form light and create darkness, I make goodness and create disaster. I am the Lord, who does all these things.
LSB   The One forming light and creating darkness, Producing peace and creating calamity; I am Yahweh who does all these.   
TLB   I form the light and make the dark. I send good times and bad. I, Jehovah, am he who does these things.   
MSG   God’s Message to his anointed, to Cyrus, whom he took by the hand To give the task of taming the nations, of terrifying their kings — He gave him free rein, no restrictions: “I’ll go ahead of you, clearing and paving the road. I’ll break down bronze city gates, smash padlocks, kick down barred entrances. I’ll lead you to buried treasures, secret caches of valuables — Confirmations that it is, in fact, I, God, the God of Israel, who calls you by your name. It’s because of my dear servant Jacob, Israel my chosen, That I’ve singled you out, called you by name, and given you this privileged work. And you don’t even know me! I am God, the only God there is. Besides me there are no real gods. I’m the one who armed you for this work, though you don’t even know me, So that everyone, from east to west, will know that I have no god-rivals. I am God, the only God there is. I form light and create darkness, I make harmonies and create discords. I, God, do all these things.
MEV   I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things.
NOG   I make light and create darkness. I make blessings and create disasters. I, Yahweh, do all these things.
NABRE   I form the light, and create the darkness, I make weal and create woe; I, the Lord, do all these things.
NASB   The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating disaster; I am the Lord who does all these things.
NASB1995   The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these.
NCB   I form the light and create the darkness; prosperity and disaster depend upon my will; I, the Lord, do all these things.
NCV   I made the light and the darkness. I bring peace, and I cause troubles. I, the Lord, do all these things.
NET   I am the one who forms light and creates darkness; the one who brings about peace and creates calamity. I am the Lord, who accomplishes all these things.
NIRV   I cause light to shine. I also create darkness. I bring good times. I also create hard times. I do all these things. I am the Lord.
NIV   I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.
NIVUK   I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.
OJB   I form ohr, and create choshech; I make shalom, and create rah; I Hashem worketh all these things.   
RSV   I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe, I am the Lord, who do all these things.
TLV   I form light and create darkness. I make shalom and create calamity. I, Adonai, do all these things.   
VOICE   I form light and create darkness; I make what is good, happy, and healthy, and I create woe. I, the Eternal One, make them one and all.
WEB   I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create calamity. I am Yahweh, who does all these things.
WYC   forming light, and making darknesses, making peace, and forming evil; I am the Lord, doing all these things.
YLT   Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I [am] Jehovah, doing all these things.’

 

My understanding …

  • The message of Isaiah 45:7 is not that God created evil, but that God is in control of all that happens (whether good or bad).  As the TLB puts it, “I form the light and make the dark. I send good times and bad. I, Jehovah, am he who does these things.”     
  • God did not create evil …
  • What God created was the potential for evil … and He created it once He gave Man free moral agency.

 


 

There are several articles available online that can help, including the two below …

FYI …

  • To read the GotQuestions article on Isaiah 45:7, click on the link below …

https://www.gotquestions.org/Isaiah-45-7.html

  • To read a GotQuestions article on whether God created evil or not, click on the link below …

https://www.gotquestions.org/did-God-create-evil.html

 


re: the GotQuestions article on Isaiah 45:7 … 

In Isaiah 45:1–7, the prophet foresees God calling and anointing King Cyrus of Persia to be His chosen instrument to subdue nations (namely Babylon) for the sake of His people Israel. Cyrus, who was not yet born at the time of the prophecy, did not know the Lord or even acknowledge His existence, making him an unlikely choice to be God’s anointed. The pick of Cyrus proved all the more that God is sovereign and in control of all things and people. As the only true God and Creator of all life, His authority and decisions cannot truly be challenged:

“There is none beside me.
I am the Lord, and there is none else.
I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the Lord do all these things” (Isaiah 45:6–7, KJV 1900).

If everything God created was good (Genesis 1:31; 1 Timothy 4:4; James 1:17), why does Isaiah 45:7 say God created evil?  The Hebrew word translated as “evil” (ra‘) in the King James Version of Isaiah 45:7 has two applications in the Bible.

    1. The term can be used in the sense of moral evil, such as wickedness and sin (Matthew 12:35; Judges 3:12; Proverbs 8:13; 3 John 1:11),
    2. or it can refer to harmful natural events, calamity, misfortune, adversity, affliction, or disaster.

It is in this second sense that Isaiah speaks, and his meaning is reflected in most modern Bible translations of Isaiah 45:7 (emphasis added): “I make success and create disaster” (HCSB); “I make well-being and create calamity” (ESV); “I send good times and bad times” (NLT).

God does not create moral evil.  For one thing, moral evil is not a “thing” to be made but a choice or intent contrary to God’s good purposes, His holy character, and His law.  Moral evil does not conform to God and His will.  God is good (Psalm 34:8), holy (Leviticus 11:44; Isaiah 6:3; 1 Peter 1:16), and loving (1 John 4:8); therefore, His plans and purposes are good, holy, and loving.

As Ruler of the universe, God sometimes creates calamity to accomplish His will.  He brought disaster to discipline His people when they turned their backs on Him and refused to repent (Jeremiah 18:17).  And He promised to bring calamity to Babylon through Cyrus for the sake of His chosen people — to restore them to their homeland and rebuild their ruined cities (Isaiah 41:8–10; 44:26; 45:4; 2 Chronicles 36:22–23; Ezra 1:3).

As the Sovereign King over all earthly kings, God can make light or darkness and create peace or calamity.  He can use Cyrus as His agent of redemption and peace for Israel and as the bringer of calamity upon Babylon.  God moved beyond the boundaries of Israel, selecting a world power that did not even recognize His sovereignty to accomplish His greater kingdom purposes.  Cyrus would be the Lord’s divine instrument to help spread the good news of God’s “righteousness” and “salvation” (see Isaiah 45:8) to “all the world from east to west” (Isaiah 45:6 NLT).  Cyrus would be the channel, but God was the Architect and Inventor of it all.

God’s sovereign rule over all things good and bad — over success and calamity for His people Israel — is cause for hope in the lives of believers today.  We can trust and “know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them” (Romans 8:28, NLT).  God’s purpose is to bring us to spiritual maturity (Romans 8:29; Ephesians 1:4; 5:27; Colossians 1:22; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 1:24).  Our experiences may seem bright or dark, peaceful or disastrous, but God promises to craft them all together, even adversity, affliction, and “evil,” for our ultimate benefit.

At first it might seem that if God created all things, then evil must have been created by God.  However, evil is not a “thing” like a rock or electricity.  You cannot have a jar of evil.  Evil has no existence of its own; it is really the absence of good.  For example, holes are real but they only exist in something else.  We call the absence of dirt a hole, but it cannot be separated from the dirt.  So when God created, it is true that all He created was good.

One of the good things God made was creatures who had the freedom to choose good.  In order to have a real choice, God had to allow there to be something besides good to choose.  So, God allowed these free angels and humans to choose good or reject good (evil).  When a bad relationship exists between two good things we call that evil, but it does not become a “thing” that required God to create it.

Perhaps a further illustration will help.  If a person is asked, “Does cold exist?” the answer would likely be “yes.”  However, this is incorrect.  Cold does not exist.  Cold is the absence of heat.  Similarly, darkness does not exist; it is the absence of light.  Evil is the absence of good, or better, evil is the absence of God.  God did not have to create evil, but rather only allow for the absence of good.  

God did not create evil, but He does allow evil.  If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice.  He did not want “robots” that simply did what He wanted them to do because of their “programming.”  God allowed for the possibility of evil so that we could genuinely have a free will and choose whether or not we wanted to serve Him.

As finite human beings, we can never fully understand an infinite God (Romans 11:33-34).  Sometimes we think we understand why God is doing something, only to find out later that it was for a different purpose than we originally thought.  God looks at things from a holy, eternal perspective.  We look at things from a sinful, earthly, and temporal perspective.  Why did God put man on earth knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and therefore bring evil, death, and suffering on all mankind?  Why didn’t He just create us all and leave us in heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering?  These questions cannot be adequately answered this side of eternity.  What we can know is whatever God does is holy and perfect and ultimately will glorify Him. God allowed for the possibility of evil in order to give us a true choice in regards to whether we worship Him.  God did not create evil, but He allowed it.  If He had not allowed evil, we would be worshiping Him out of obligation, not by a choice of our own will.

 


 


From an article on GotQuestions.org entitled “Where Was God on September 11”? …  (click here to read the article on the website.)

On September 11, 2001, God was exactly where He always is – in Heaven in total control of everything that happens in the universe. Why, then, would a good and loving God allow such a tragedy to happen? This is a more difficult question to answer. First, we must remember, “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:9). It is impossible for finite human beings to understand the ways of an infinite God (Romans 11:33-35). Second, we must realize that God is not responsible for the wicked acts of evil men. The Bible tells us that humanity is desperately wicked and sinful (Romans 3:10-18, 23). God allows human beings to commit sin for His own reasons and to fulfill His own purposes. Sometimes we think we understand why God is doing something, only to find out later that it was for a different purpose than we originally thought.

God looks at things from an eternal perspective. We look at things from an earthly perspective. Why did God put man on earth, knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and therefore bring evil, death, and suffering on all mankind? Why didn’t He just create us all and leave us in Heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering? It must be remembered that the purpose for all creation and all creatures is to glorify God. God is glorified when His nature and attributes are on display. If there were no sin, God would have no opportunity to display His justice and wrath as He punishes sin. Nor would He have the opportunity to show His grace, His mercy, and His love to undeserving creatures. The ultimate display of God’s grace was at the Cross where Jesus died for our sins. Here was unselfishness and obedience displayed in His Son who knew no sin but was “made sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This was all to the “praise of His glory” (Ephesians 1:14).

When thinking of September 11, we tend to forget the thousands of miracles that occurred on that day. Hundreds of people were able to flee the buildings just in the nick of time. A small handful of firemen and one civilian survived in a tiny space in a stairwell as the one of the towers collapsed around them. The passengers on Flight 93 defeating the terrorists was a miracle in and of itself. Yes, September 11 was a terrible day. Sin reared its ugly head and caused great devastation. However, God is still in control. His sovereignty is never to be doubted. Could God have prevented what happened on September 11? Of course He could, but He chose to allow the events to unfold exactly as they did. He prevented that day from being as bad as it could have been. Since September 11, how many lives have been changed for the better? How many people have placed their faith in Christ for salvation as a result of what happened? The words of Romans 8:28 should always be in our minds when we think of 9-11, “And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, and are called according to His purpose.”


Did God create evil when He created the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

The answer is NO … and a close look at the Genesis account can help us to understand why we say that.

  • The argument: God created evil when He created the tree of knowledge of good and evilGod created evil when He created the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
  • A response:

10 Now a river went out of Eden to water the garden, and from there it parted and became four riverheads.

NOTE:  Genesis 2:9 does NOT say that God created “evil” or even “a tree of evil” … What God created was a “tree of the knowledge of good and evil”.

I’m not sure that tree was a literal tree … I do believe, however, that it was a symbolic tree — i.e. that tree represented something.  In my understanding, it represented Man’s ability to decide for himself what was right and wrong, good and evil.

God didn’t create evil … He created the tree that represented what Man would consider to be evil, rather than allowing God to tell Man what was evil.

We don’t know what kind of tree it was … We don’t even know if it had to be a particular kind of tree.  The importance of that verse has to do with what the tree represented, which many believe has to do with Man deciding for himself what is “good” and what is “evil”.

Isaiah 5:20-21

20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!

 


What is the purpose of evil?

We live in a world of pain and suffering. There is no one who is not affected by the harsh realities of life, and the question “why do bad things happen to good people?” is one of the most difficult questions in all of theology. God is sovereign, so all that happens must have at least been allowed by Him, if not directly caused by Him. At the outset, we must acknowledge that human beings, who are not eternal, infinite, or omniscient, cannot expect to fully understand God’s purposes and ways.

The book of Job deals with the issue of why God allows bad things to happen to good people. Job was a righteous man (Job 1:1), yet he suffered in ways that are almost beyond belief. God allowed Satan to do everything he wanted to Job except kill him, and Satan did his worst. What was Job’s reaction? “Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him” (Job 13:15). “The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised” (Job 1:21). Job did not understand why God had allowed the things He did, but he knew God was good and therefore continued to trust in Him. Ultimately, that should be our reaction as well.

Why do bad things happen to good people? As hard as it is to acknowledge, we must remember that there are no “good” people, in the absolute sense of the word. All of us are tainted by and infected with sin (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8). As Jesus said, “No one is good—except God alone” (Luke 18:19). All of us feel the effects of sin in one way or another. Sometimes it’s our own personal sin; other times, it’s the sins of others. We live in a fallen world, and we experience the effects of the fall. One of those effects is injustice and seemingly senseless suffering.

When wondering why God would allow bad things to happen to good people, it’s also good to consider these four things about the bad things that happen:

1) Bad things may happen to good people in this world, but this world is not the end. Christians have an eternal perspective: “We do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal” (2 Corinthians 4:16–18). We will have a reward some day, and it will be glorious.

2) Bad things happen to good people, but God uses those bad things for an ultimate, lasting good. “We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28). When Joseph, innocent of wrongdoing, finally came through his horrific sufferings, he was able to see God’s good plan in it all (see Genesis 50:19–21).

3) Bad things happen to good people, but those bad things equip believers for deeper ministry. “Praise be to . . . the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God. For just as we share abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ” (2 Corinthians 1:3–5). Those with battle scars can better help those going through battles.

4) Bad things happen to good people, and the worst things happened to the best Person. Jesus was the only truly Righteous One, yet He suffered more than we can imagine. We follow in His footsteps: “If you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. ‘He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.’ When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly” (1 Peter 2:20–23). Jesus is no stranger to our pain.

Romans 5:8 declares, “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Despite the sinful nature of the people of this world, God still loves us. Jesus loved us enough to die to take the penalty for our sins (Romans 6:23). If we receive Jesus Christ as Savior (John 3:16; Romans 10:9), we will be forgiven and promised an eternal home in heaven (Romans 8:1).

God allows things to happen for a reason. Whether or not we understand His reasons, we must remember that God is good, just, loving, and merciful (Psalm 135:3). Often, bad things happen to us that we simply cannot understand. Instead of doubting God’s goodness, our reaction should be to trust Him. “Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight” (Proverbs 3:5–6).  We walk by faith, not by sight.

Why does God allow innocent people to suffer?

There is so much suffering in the world, and it is felt by everyone to one degree or another. Sometimes, people suffer as the direct result of their own poor choices, sinful actions, or willful irresponsibility; in those cases, we see the truth of Proverbs 13:15, “The way of the treacherous is their ruin” (ESV). But what about the victims of the treachery? What about the innocent who suffer? Why would God allow that?

It is human nature to try to find a correlation between bad behavior and bad circumstances and, conversely, between good behavior and blessings. The desire to link sin to suffering is so strong that Jesus dealt with the issue at least twice. “As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, ‘Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?’ ‘Neither this man nor his parents sinned,’ said Jesus” (John 9:1–3). The disciples made the mistake of assuming that the innocent would never suffer and assigned personal guilt to the blind man (or to his parents). Jesus corrected their thinking, saying, “This happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him” (verse 3). The man’s blindness was not the result of personal sin; rather, God had a higher purpose for the suffering.

Another time, Jesus commented on the deaths of some people killed in an accident: “Those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them — do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish” (Luke 13:4–5).  In this case, Jesus again discounted the notion that tragedy and suffering are the result of personal sin. At the same time,  Jesus emphasized the fact that we live in a world full of sin and its effects; therefore, everyone must repent.

This brings us to the consideration of whether such a thing as “the innocent,” technically speaking, even exists. According to the Bible, “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). Therefore, no one is “innocent” in the sense of being sinless. We were all born with a sinful nature, inherited from Adam. And, as we’ve already seen, everyone suffers, regardless of whether or not the suffering can be linked to a specific personal sin. Sin’s effects permeate everything; the world is fallen, and all creation suffers as a result (Romans 8:22).

Most heartbreaking of all is the suffering of a child. Children are as close to innocence as we ever see in this world, and for them to suffer is truly tragic. Sometimes, innocent children suffer because of the sin of others: neglect, abuse, drunk driving, etc. In those cases, we can definitely say that the suffering is the result of personal sin (just not theirs), and we learn the lesson that our sin always affects others around us. Other times, innocent children suffer because of what some might call “acts of God”: natural disasters, accidents, childhood cancer, etc. Even in those cases, we can say that the suffering is the result of sin, generally speaking, because we live in a sinful world.

The good news is that God did not leave us here to suffer pointlessly. Yes, the innocent suffer (see Job 1–2), but God can redeem that suffering. Our loving and merciful God has a perfect plan to use that suffering to accomplish His threefold purpose. First, He uses pain and suffering to draw us to Himself so that we will cling to Him. Jesus said, “In this world you will have trouble” (John 16:33). Trials and distress are not something unusual in life; they are part of what it means to be human in a fallen world. In Christ we have an anchor that holds fast in all the storms of life, but, if we never sail into those storms, how would we know that? It is in times of despair and sorrow that we reach out to Him, and, if we are His children, we always find Him there waiting to comfort and uphold us through it all. In this way, God proves His faithfulness to us and ensures that we will stay close to Him. An added benefit is that as we experience God’s comfort through trials, we are then able to comfort others in the same way (2 Corinthians 1:4).

Second, He proves to us that our faith is real through the suffering and pain that are inevitable in this life. How we respond to suffering, especially when we are innocent of wrongdoing, is determined by the genuineness of our faith. Those with faith in Jesus, “the pioneer and perfecter of faith” (Hebrews 12:2), will not be crushed by suffering but will come through the trial with their faith intact, having been “tested by fire” so that it “may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 1:7, ESV). The faithful do not shake their fists at God or question His goodness; rather, they “consider it pure joy” (James 1:2), knowing that trials prove that they are truly the children of God. “Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him” (James 1:12).

Finally, God uses suffering to take our eyes off this world and turn them to the next. The Bible continually exhorts us to not get caught up in the things of this world but to look forward to the world to come. The innocent suffer in this world, but this world and all that is in it will pass away; the kingdom of God is eternal. Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36), and those who follow Him do not see the things of this life, good or bad, as the end of the story. Even the sufferings we endure, as terrible as they can be, “are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us” (Romans 8:18).

Could God prevent all suffering? Of course He could. But He assures us that “all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28, KJV).  Suffering — even the suffering of the innocent — is part of the “all things” that God is using to accomplish His good purposes, ultimately.  His plan is perfect, His character is flawless, and those who trust Him will not be disappointed.

 

 

 

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